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What's going on with ATF on Pistol Braces?
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Assault Machine
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I love how everyone's complaining how unconstitutional it is but no one actually wants to do anything about it, just saying.
Good American
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The ruling on the bump stock was wrong. Its within the law. I don't see why anyone would want that pos on their gun in the first place. As far a the pistol brace BS id guess in the next few wonts it wont matter what you got.
Benzino
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So about a month ago the ATF said the Honey Badger pistol from Q is an SBR. They never gave a reason just that they believe it is.
Now as for with pistol braces currently its legal to shoulder them and have them on a pistol and all that, but the ATF may decide to change that in the future as they have not made a final ruling on them. What's been happening basically ever since the Bumpstock ban is the ATF has been given the go ahead to declare/redefine whatever they want as x thing instead, which has lead to several firearms being deemed as SBSs, some shotguns getting banned because the name is used by a full auto version so therefore its a full auto, changing the definition of a firearm, the Bumpstock being declared as a machine gun, etc.
Now as for with pistol braces currently its legal to shoulder them and have them on a pistol and all that, but the ATF may decide to change that in the future as they have not made a final ruling on them. What's been happening basically ever since the Bumpstock ban is the ATF has been given the go ahead to declare/redefine whatever they want as x thing instead, which has lead to several firearms being deemed as SBSs, some shotguns getting banned because the name is used by a full auto version so therefore its a full auto, changing the definition of a firearm, the Bumpstock being declared as a machine gun, etc.
Frankie J
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actually its all cleared up for the most Part, the whole uproar was for one company "Q" they marketed in videos the Honey Badger with a brace being shown shouldered so the ATF said they sold the guns designed to be shouldered making the pistol into a SBR due the shoulder of the stock. that's all. Braces are still good to go.
Getoutofmyway
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Check the video and or search some others. I know some have the list.
Frankie J
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ok so nothing is happening, what you are hearing is half truths and words intended to leave you to interpret the law. the fact is braces are legal and not a stock. two recent issues regarding "SB Tactical" and "Q" is all fluff and nothing more than a war of words.
Here are the facts. Q was targeted because they had commercials or adds, etc... showing the braces being shouldered and used as stocks while calling them braces. illegal and showed 'Q's" intent to use as a stock creating an SBR. this is between ATF and Q to resolve and correct. the braces are bought from "SB Tactical".
The issue with the ATF and "Sb Tactical" is that they posted on the web site that all its braces are approved by the ATF, the word Approved is being used loosely by the ATF and "SB Tactical" no one is required to submit product for Approval to the ATF. that being said The Atf is saying to "SB Tactical" stop misrepresenting or false advertising we have approved or verified that the other braces are in fact braces. just because the ATF has not "APPROVED" them doesn't make them Illegal as no law requires them to get approval. as per the ATF they do not regulate accessories. submitting products is a voluntary thing and doesn't necessarily hold up in court as the ATF has given determination letters, then people have been found guilty in court when charged by local police etc.. and courts have stated that the ATF has no authority to make law and what ever they say is strictly opinion.
so in short they are not illegal so long as you do not buy with intent to use as a stock. Intent is Key in everything. another issue is that the ATF uses words to make you think you must get things approved and is a scare tactic but they never stated those are illegal nor demanded the braces be sent in for approval, etc.... as well many YouTube channels knew this and used the same tactic to drive viewers to channels for viewership ratings etc... this is why no other brands or companies have been sent letters.
Go guy your braces
Here are the facts. Q was targeted because they had commercials or adds, etc... showing the braces being shouldered and used as stocks while calling them braces. illegal and showed 'Q's" intent to use as a stock creating an SBR. this is between ATF and Q to resolve and correct. the braces are bought from "SB Tactical".
The issue with the ATF and "Sb Tactical" is that they posted on the web site that all its braces are approved by the ATF, the word Approved is being used loosely by the ATF and "SB Tactical" no one is required to submit product for Approval to the ATF. that being said The Atf is saying to "SB Tactical" stop misrepresenting or false advertising we have approved or verified that the other braces are in fact braces. just because the ATF has not "APPROVED" them doesn't make them Illegal as no law requires them to get approval. as per the ATF they do not regulate accessories. submitting products is a voluntary thing and doesn't necessarily hold up in court as the ATF has given determination letters, then people have been found guilty in court when charged by local police etc.. and courts have stated that the ATF has no authority to make law and what ever they say is strictly opinion.
so in short they are not illegal so long as you do not buy with intent to use as a stock. Intent is Key in everything. another issue is that the ATF uses words to make you think you must get things approved and is a scare tactic but they never stated those are illegal nor demanded the braces be sent in for approval, etc.... as well many YouTube channels knew this and used the same tactic to drive viewers to channels for viewership ratings etc... this is why no other brands or companies have been sent letters.
Go guy your braces
